Wave? Apostles and Prophets
There have been quite a few prophecies regarding a resurgence
leadership in the Church, and indeed a new 'type' or character of
Certainly we need a new 'type' of leadership today--one which would
the standards that Jesus taught for authority (See our Servant
Authority essay for a brief over-view of
when it comes to authority), and those who would 'fit the bill' would
to be ego-driven or ego-centered. Below is an example of a
that in my opinion, expresses the coming of new leadership which fails
to be ego-driven:
The New Wave/
Apostles and Prophets |
12/13/97 12:17 AM
Kelly Weiler, firstname.lastname@example.org
... so much of what
we bring to the table in our
current limited perspective is at this point often so speculative
we to some degree relate all things out of our previously tainted
base. I suppose many look for a new breed of hotshots who will be so
hotter than the rest. They'll flash bigger smiles, have more
walk with more polish, and teach the flashiest sermons. But
of us have walked with Paul, or Peter, or Thomas or
The offscouring of the earth was was they were sometimes called.
homeless, despised by some, recognized and honored by others, overly
by some others still.
I will call it a 'new
wave' because I think what
God sends us in an expected coming release of prophets and apostles
bring a whole restored paradigm that Jesus, Paul, and John the baptist
especially lived and taught.
I believe the Lord
has been preparing for some
time now a whole special generation of apostles and prophets. Though
may first appear on the scene in a somewhat typical fashion, ultimately
I think what is brought to the church will strongly change the
of what we currently call church.
You see, apostles and
prophets are foundation
layers; that's what makes their heart tick. When
at the church they see what the neccessary foundations are, and the
of construction that are to be followed on those precious
The may not be experts at every detail of the outworking of all these
but they come with THE FOUNDATIONAL ESSENCES out of which every timber
and every stone are to be fashioned and set with.
The zeal of the Lord
is the prophetic burden that
has been growing for some time now in their hearts, a passion, a
a clearer perspective that what we have yet known as 'church'.
It's not a
revolution, exercising a
new type of dominion or papacy. What they bring is a
heart foundations, which will inspire a revolution of leadership and
returning the church to the foundations of 'one body, one family, one
all and all for one.'
The revolution they
bring is a returning to the
foundation of Christ, the one His apostles laid; who refused crowns,
brought no manipulative slap on the cheek, as Paul said some of the
of even his day had already degraded to becoming attracted to in some
Any ecclesiastical/political revolution will be the result of the
of their lives and ministry, but not throne seeking on their
In fact I doubt if any thrones are here for them, perhaps more crosses
than thrones, that's the way it was for the first twelve.
The call of this
release of apostles and prophets
to the church will bring a whole new (new to us) blood line so to speak
into the leadership of the church. It will infuse
in every area of ministry to a whole turn around in their perspectives
of life and ministry. A new day may be ushered in for the
to experience the real life of Christ in community. Others I
will obstinately refuse this move, lovers of crowns and thrones, both
who sit on them, and those who love to have others sitting on them.
Gone from these
who follow the heart of true
apostles and true prophets will be the paradigm that ministers live to
be served, to be the privileged amongst the many.
be the paradigm of despotic attitudes where men have allowed themselves
to be made kings, or made themselves into such.
At first I believe
many prophets and apostles
who have waited on the Lord for this time, waiting and refusing to
self-promoters, when the Lord releases them into the beginnings of His
promotion, some will probably then falter. They will probably
into the same old ruts that have been so well worn into these roads we
have rutted out now so deeply it's difficult for anybody given any
and attention to not fall into.
I think though, and I
hope I'm not just thinking
optomistically now, that the training they have been through, and the
convictions the Lord has entrained in their spirits and hearts will
through, and many that leave the right track will return to the inner
worn into a path for their hearts and minds by years of hiddeness and
it down, to keep it down, and only walk in the way of the Lord.
Jesus laid out
path so clear for the first
twelve apostles, and they called Him 'Master.' And His path
engrained by those lessons He lived with them daily for those several
us all, as many
as hear the call to Father
the church in a coming day, where we may live what we teach, and prove
by real genuine deference that we mean what we speak. God is
you right now. How well do you defer to your wife, your sons and
others at church.
Do not be afraid to
stand when the Lord tells
you to stand; but never be afraid of moving out of the way, in fact be
looking for it, so the Lord, and others may be brought higher, not
Your job, if you are called to anything significant, is measured by how
high you can lift Jesus up, and help others proceed into success in
and how far they can run. The measure of your assistance to others,
without pageantry or a microphone in your face, is what meets out value
of lasting substance in the presence of our Lord and of His Christ.
Do you choose
and honor and prestige in
the sight of men, and based on the inventions of their measuring rods;
or do you choose to simply be about what your Father gives you?
Jesus was the
example of an apostle.
If you study and follow His behavior, His radical way of loving, His
for ceremony and religious protocol, His simple way of BEING AND DOING,
without trumpet, without earthly accord, avoiding earthly thrones,
and titles. He loved, more than anything He
showed. He served. He shepherded (a lowly
He was patient, like a Father with His children. He then turned it over
was the second
best example of an apostle.
He closely followed on Christ's example.
John the baptist was
the best example of a prophet.
He lived to introduce Christ. He lived to bring the
to the living Christ and not himself. His joy was to hear the
voice with His bride. He did not want to get in the way, but lived with
one passion, to bring the bride to her waiting groom, to enamor her
you're looking for
apostles and prophets, look
- 'New Zealand Revival
But that's not
the end of the story!
My understanding from the Lord since 1996 or so was
be a spontaneous work of the Lord, one in which He
called and commissioned many out of the spiritual desert. They may be
prophets and apostles by the Lord but they need take on no such titles
for themselves, for they will be busy going about the work of
or prophet, rather than stroking their egos with titles or
They would also largely be unaware of each other at first and work very
independent of one another. If they connected up with one another, it
not be due to an organized effort by man or religious organization, and
it would not be under the control of any hierarchy for they would know
to avoid that. This is why I paid attention to Words like the one
and noticed others too--examples of which are now placed further down
on this webpage.
It has been my observation that upon the heels of
a resurgence of servant authority, others have come who have eventually
laid claim to being this 'new leadership', and yet they are a mockery
godly leadership. Some, like blind men, have counteracted
stated good intentions or promises by the conduct of their ministries
the suspect messages of their teachings. As examples, I mean:
1) Their prophecies are presented from a showmanship
stance, as though they are 'the' prophets/apostles of America. It
somewhat dismaying, even shocking, that a group of prophets can get
and decide they are 'high level' 'national' or 'international'
announcing themselves as though they are the greatest voices of
Jesus said, "they love the place of honor at banquets and the most
seats in the synagogues... The greatest among you will be your servant.
For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself
will be exalted." Please discern any spiritual pride in their
and please beware of any who 'posture' by making themselves to 'sit at
that table' of 'high level' pre-eminence.
2) A great deal of money handled and exchanged as
their 'new wave,' 'cutting edge' Words or teachings. The charge is up
to $300 a person per conference! (not to mention the number of books
These practices have served to coin the term, "Prophets for profit."
Present day prophets need to differ from present day
leaders, and secular Hollywood superstars. Otherwise no one can tell
the difference. Showmanship, posturing, superstar-status and
money-charging practices have provoking a variety of responses, from
some caution, to open scrutiny, to private or public rebukes or
I know that many people are anxious for
good news and for
any new thing of the Lord, yet I also hope and trust that they would
knowing some specific concerns before they get involved with any group
or plunk down their money for any book or conference.After I was
alarmed by these "cutting edge" prophets and apostles, I put up my
warning of 1999:
So You Know: Regarding some 'Apostolic Summits'
. (If you
speaking out, please check out our "truth
for various articles on truth telling). Since the internet has
to be saturated with advertisements and excited announcements about
and 'prophets' and their books or conferences, I have continued to put
up more information to further educate people about the kinds of
that are being promoted. Just take the first webpage above from 1999
you will be able to follow the links from there. For years I have been
warning about the developments that have now come upon us. I
the Lord's strategy was to avoid a cynical 'backlash' against all
prophetic or all things that relate to spiritual gifts as much as
This can only be accomplished by reasonable exposure and a speaking out
by those who do not deny spiritual gifts.
It is important that anyone who is a mature Christian
in a mature manner. We must not shrink back. Instead, we must
speak out the knowledge and wisdom
has given us. Otherwise, we let those in error define what
or "apostolic" IS.
-Teri Lee Earl
The following are quotes or links
to public warnings from the
gifted that I became aware of after I began the warnings and research
wanted me to engage in. I can personally testify that almost
of these were spontaneously inspired and they were not influenced by
I did or said. They are in order of appearance, from earliest
last. Like myself, quite a good number of the writers have
what they speak of firsthand. Some I have had personal
and others I have not.
From Steve Snow:
I sense in the Lord that the Apostolic reformation
is about to
forth upon the church. There will be 2 streams - the one - will seem
with many "big-name" people declaring their apostolic credentials. The
other stream will be the "unknowns" those who have been trained and
over time - those who are "nobodies" in themselves.
I also sense a warning - the apostolic stream - the
those who are known to many - will be used by the enemy to turn the
leadership into a dictatorship. I see in this stream a return to the
conditions that occurred in the 2nd C AD when local elders - called
became higher ranking regional leaders and eventually - one became the
Pope. Beware of that spirit because the new apostolic will take of the
shepherding heresy and magnify the wrong spirit - claiming apostolic
The Lord though is raising up the apostles - his apostles - those
those created, molded over time, those who are humble, those who are
for upon these will the Lord's authority be poured out. These are the
who understand authority and will give their very lives for the church
of God should that be required. The Lord says - resist the apostolic
seems right - the one that seems as if it will succeed - resist the
for power and see His heart. In the true apostles - the Lord's heart
be seen - the cross will be seen and the love, mercy, compassion and
will be seen.
(c)1999 Steve Snow - Was published at one time at
Resources website (no longer in existence now)
Closer Walk With Jesus :
September 21, 1999
Subject: Apostles & Prophets
Refer to my statement about the proclaiming of the
afore mentioned offices. (Referring to recent
in prophetic circles about Apostles & Prophets)
If the church age is being phased out and the Kingdom age is at hand,
should we be looking to the old wine skins, when Jesus is bringing
a new wine? I could have started a church a long time ago and
a good reputation in the religious realm and got in with these brothers
that are in the prophetic web ring circle. (Instead),I chose by the
of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit to be set aside in a lonely
so as to be set free from what ever would hinder my hearing and seeing
what was in the heart of our God. These brothers are saying the same
we are to an extent, but I believe they veer off when they try to
the old order. Consider what Paul said in Hebrews Chapter 5
the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek. We are being made over
image of Jesus with the sufferings to perfect us to minister to others.
The old will coexist along with the new until the
established and then the old will be discarded.
Example: II Samuel 3:1. I have been shown already that I will
be met with opposition for the things that I will say will undermine a
lot of present ministries doctrines. In 1995 I was prophesied
and this is what was said. "You are a plowman and will plow straight
and plant seed. The earth will welcome the plowman." I expect
plow across some one else's furrows and I don't think they will be
There is also a word going forth in the prophetic realm that
will be a change in leadership or the passing of the baton to a new
of runners. These Saints will represent Jesus with all
Eph. 4:11 functioning through them. Some will say these are
Fires or loose canon balls. When these called out ones come
they will come forth in the image of their Father Jesus being led by
Holy Spirit because they know His voice and will obey Him.
Consider Prov. 30:27, "The locusts have no king yet go they forth all
of them by bands." Here we see the Wisdom of our God to
insect with the ability to unite and even with one purpose know their
How much more should we have the ability to be united and with one
and purpose (to do the will of God) Because we can have direction from
the king of kings who sits on his Throne in the Heart of the Believer
A dream I had a long time ago just came to mind it
has to do
I have been saying. I was traveling on a highway (walking)
came upon two men. One was in a business suit and holding a
I asked him did he know what direction we needed to take to get to the
Kingdom of God. (We were at a cross road) He said he knew but some how
I had a inward knowing that he did not know. The other man
in a gray uniform (gray stands for rebellion) He had no understanding
what I was talking about. So I continued on in the direction
I knew was the way that I was to go. End of dream.
The suit and tie brother was in the
The brother dressed in gray was the rebellious religious church that
no understanding of what Jesus is doing in this day. A lot of
in the prophetic realm are
looking at things through the natural eyes and not with a spiritual
eye. They have not really entered into the full faith realm of living
every word that Jesus speaks. This can and will be attained
brothers... by fire.
I've said enough.
See also on Ed's website:
Continuance of the Office of Apostles and Prophets. at
and An Apostles Calling.
(both are brief)
Army...Predator Or Protein...Come Let Us Reason Together by
Feb. 15, 2000
From the first paragraph of: "What Is An Apostle?" by Michael Clark
"Right now there is a move afoot to establish a new hierarchy
circles. Men are teaching that we
must come under the covering of an apostle to have any legitimate place
in the body of Christ. At first
glance this seems like a rightful restoration of the office of apostle
to a church that has been out of order
for 1700 or more years, but let us take a deeper look at just what
an apostle is and whether these men who
are claiming this title fit the bill."
That was written back in year 2000 or so. A more
follow-up to this article is:
Last God to Go by George Davis and Michael Clark
If you would benefit from taking a look at more examples of
about leaders and leadership, browse around through these pages: AGAINST
AUTHORITARIAN RULE , ABOUT
LEADERSHIP, and GIDEON-TYPE
Warning and disclaimer:
Some of those who have prophesied these are known to conduct their
well, others presently have very suspect practices, and others are
to this author.
Update: Published book, Oct. 2006:Authority, Accountability, and the
by Stephen Crosby
is a new apostolic movement afoot, and it is leading many from the
simplicity of the pure gospel. To be legitimate, the teaching emphasis
and ministry expression of present-day apostles and prophets must
a correct gospel foundation:
the person and work of Christ as its focus,
spiritual death and resurrection as its method,
and the indwelling Spirit as its power.
the new apostolic reformation movement, with its emphasis on
apostolic authority, “spiritual covering,” loyalty,
and government, has become the vehicle to build the philosophies and
kingdoms of men.
Dr. Stephen Crosby’s
Authority, Accountability, and the Apostolic Movement, probes these and
other authority/submission issues from a biblically disciplined,
Christ-centered, New Covenant perspective. Within these
pages, every believer, church leader, apostle, or prophet who may have
wandered from the simplicity of the gospel can find the road to
is the only printed
on this subject that I recommend. It is useful for all groups. See my
amazon review of it!
*Exhortation from Teri Lee Earl:
Christian brothers and sister: Please value those who have not
compromised to the religious Babylonian system or gone the way
Balaam. Do not give your favor
those who swoon you with
pomp, dazzle you or impress you with their 'power', tickle your ears
their promises, or manipulate you with religious guilt and
bondage! Be wary of those who self-promote,
lend superstar introductions to their "members" of their
club, and who posture as though they are from any lofty 'high level'
Avoid those who boast of their past success of their "on-target"
predictions or 'words of knowledge'. I have
that these boasts are often not true anyhow! Bless,
give, and pray for only those whom the Lord and Spirit would lead you
to, and you
will have blessed the Lord's work (Luke 4:24; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 9:48).
"Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in
those days, and they will prophesy."
14:5 "I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but
rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who
in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified."
14:39 "Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do
speaking in tongues."
13:9 "For we know in part and we prophesy in part,"
See also John
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